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Old 23-06-2008, 09:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone i just want to ask anyone out there if pensions are means tested or do the aussies work on the same system as britain

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Old 23-06-2008, 10:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old age pensions are not universal - you have to be very poor in order to get the pittance that is a government pension and everyone is encouraged (and even penalized if they fail to) to contribute to a superannuation scheme. You will need to put in far more than the minimun in order to develop a reasonable superannuation pot to support you in your retirement. So, no, pensions are not in the least like the UK.
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Old 23-06-2008, 11:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old age pensions are not universal - you have to be very poor in order to get the pittance that is a government pension and everyone is encouraged (and even penalized if they fail to) to contribute to a superannuation scheme. You will need to put in far more than the minimun in order to develop a reasonable superannuation pot to support you in your retirement. So, no, pensions are not in the least like the UK.
How much is minimum percentage and do employers contribute a percentage?
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Old 24-06-2008, 12:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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How much is minimum percentage and do employers contribute a percentage?
Information about super is here Introduction to super
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Thanks for that ,Quoll.Looks better than some of the pensions I've had here.Fred
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Thanks for that ,Quoll.Looks better than some of the pensions I've had here.Fred
Dont know about that but there are some very anxious people right now whose super money is in the market and who have seen their pot plummet by thousands of dollars overnight. Without the safety net of the govt pension to support them, they are not a happy little bunch. A whole lot of retirees were so p*ssed off by the recent budget that they demonstrated in Melbourne just afterwards.

It's certainly something worth talking to a financial advisor about - salary sacrificing and paying more than the basics is definitely the way to go - just wish we had done it sooner!
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They love a demonstration in Melbourne, when I lived there they had them practically every week!
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They love a demonstration in Melbourne, when I lived there they had them practically every week!
LOL yes, but it usually isnt the aged wrinklies stripping to the buff though!
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Dont know about that but there are some very anxious people right now whose super money is in the market and who have seen their pot plummet by thousands of dollars overnight. Without the safety net of the govt pension to support them, they are not a happy little bunch. A whole lot of retirees were so p*ssed off by the recent budget that they demonstrated in Melbourne just afterwards.

It's certainly something worth talking to a financial advisor about - salary sacrificing and paying more than the basics is definitely the way to go - just wish we had done it sooner!
Why are people p***ed off, 9% of basic is three times the best an employer has ever put into a pension for me and it was not compulsory.Are pensions self managed in Oz or do you just pay into funds you can pick and change and then leave it to the experts.Fred
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Why are people p***ed off, 9% of basic is three times the best an employer has ever put into a pension for me and it was not compulsory.Are pensions self managed in Oz or do you just pay into funds you can pick and change and then leave it to the experts.Fred
They were ticked off at getting nothing from the budget which is why they protested. Remember that we dont have a universal old age pension so super is pretty much at the whim of wherever it has been invested and it takes a lot of contributing to get your lump sum up to a level that is capable of supporting you through the ups and downs of the economic cycle for 30 years or however long you have after you retire. Just the compulsory contribution is not going to do it. Some folk are having to go back to work because their pension has been so diminished and yet they are not eligible for the govt pension - reverse mortgages are an increasing phenomenon too as people have to use the equity in their homes just to survive. Self funded retirees get none of the benefits of free medical, prescriptions, travel etc.

Funds can be either self managed or managed by the super company's specialists. You can pick and choose who you go with these days. Sadly the days of the gold plated super schemes - like the public service schemes - are long gone and pretty much all of them are subject to the vagaries of the market. If you are just beginning the process then obviously you have a better chance at taking the riskier wealth creating options but the older you get the more anxious you get!!!


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