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Old 27-06-2008, 12:14 AM   #11 (permalink)
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See what you mean now,same problem in all western style economies aging population and less people paying in.Personally not relying on govt. pension don't expect it to be there when I retire(only 24.5 years),put my serps into private pension still, at least govt. can't get thier hands on all of it.Will look into salary sacrifice when we get there sounds like a good scheme.Thanks Fred

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Old 27-06-2008, 08:57 AM   #12 (permalink)
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It all comes down to whether the government (ie the tax payers) should pay for all, most, a lot or some or none of the pensions of people when they retire or whether the individuals should.

It has become clear over the last 10 years that with an ageing population it is impossible for any government to be able to afford to provide adequate pensions for all it's citizens. Targeting the most vulnerable in society is the only way to go for the future I'm affraid.
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Old 01-07-2008, 10:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Dont know about that but there are some very anxious people right now whose super money is in the market and who have seen their pot plummet by thousands of dollars overnight. Without the safety net of the govt pension to support them, they are not a happy little bunch. A whole lot of retirees were so p*ssed off by the recent budget that they demonstrated in Melbourne just afterwards.

It's certainly something worth talking to a financial advisor about - salary sacrificing and paying more than the basics is definitely the way to go - just wish we had done it sooner!
Just been reading this post again and realised that Aussies don't have to pay into their own pension,is that right?
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Old 01-07-2008, 10:50 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Yes it is possible to receive a tax free pension in oz from 55 onwards.
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Yes it is possible to receive a tax free pension in oz from 55 onwards.
TAX FREE!!! You just mean the lump sum,not the regular monthly payments don't you?
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Old 01-07-2008, 11:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Approaching retirement




The government wants us to save some or all of our own retirement nest egg, so it provides special tax advantages to encourage us to use superannuation for this purpose. You may now have fewer financial obligations than you did earlier in life - the kids may have left home, you may have almost paid off your mortgage and have less financial commitments. If so there has never been a better time to look at saving more to boost your retirement options.
Tax-free withdrawals from super when you turn 60.


To encourage you to save more for your retirement, the government abolished its former limits (reasonable benefit limits) on how much you can have in super. You can now accumulate as much super as you like and all of it can be withdrawn tax-free once you turn 60. The only catch is that to prevent abuse of the system the government limits how much you can contribute to super in any one year. The annual limits are:
  • $50,000 for concessional (deductible) contributions, i.e. employer contributions and salary sacrifice contributions. If you're aged 50 or over, a transitional cap of $100,000 per financial year applies until 30 June 2012 – commencing in the financial year you turn 50. Any contributions in excess of either cap will be taxed at a rate of 46.5%.
  • $150,000 for non-concessional or after-tax contributions, or $450,000 averaged over 3 financial years if you are under 65 in that financial year. All contributions over the cap will be taxed at a rate of 46.5%
Why is super important?

The abolishing of the reasonable benefit limits should allow you to accumulate a larger nest egg within super. Australians now have a higher life expectancy than ever before. Current figures show that having reached age 60 the average man will live another 21.66 years and the average woman another 25.44 years1.
Its unlikely that the government age pension on its own will give you the financial freedom you want for your 20 plus years in retirement. The maximum age pension in currently only $13,143 pa for a single and $10,975 (each) for a couple. It's designed to provide a basic subsistence income and most people want a lot more from their retirement years.
Do you have enough super to fund your desired retirement lifestyle?


To answer this question you need to know two things:
  • How much annual income you want in retirement
  • How much super you'll need to produce that level of income
How much super is enough?

If you already know the annual income you want to receive in retirement (in today's dollars), use our superannuation calculator to work out how much super you'll need to generate that income. The calculator will also work out whether your employer contributions will be sufficient, or if you need to add extra funds to your super.
If you don't know how much income you'll need in retirement, the Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia (ASFA) has undertaken research in this area and has estimated that an individual person needs $35,789 p.a., after-tax, to live a comfortable lifestyle. This assumes you own your own home and budget for items such as $21.36 per week for gifts and/or alcohol and tobacco, $129.91 per week for food and $30.82 per week for clothing.
When can you withdraw your super?

The restrictions the government places on when you can withdraw your super are known as the "preservation rules". The preservation rules mean your super balance remains inaccessible, other than in exceptional circumstances such as death or total and permanent disability, until you reach your preservation age (see table).
Your date of birth
Preservation age
Before 1 July 1960
55
1 July 1960 - 30 June 1961
56
1 July 1961 - 30 June 1962
57
1 July 1962 - 30 June 1963
58
1 July 1963 - 30 June 1964
59
After 30 June 1964
60
Source: Australian Taxation Office
Beginning the transition into retirement


Many people find that gradually winding back their working hours, so as to increase their non-working hours, is a useful way to begin the transition into retirement. If your situation allows it, you may decide to:
  • Cut back your working hours
  • Re-train or consider a change of career
  • Try out retirement part-time before you say goodbye to working life for good
A pre-retirement pension can give you the flexibility to organise your transition into retirement in a way that works for you. Learn more about pre-retirement pensions.

The above is from the CBA website, unlike the UK you don't need to buy an annuity.
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Just been reading this post again and realised that Aussies don't have to pay into their own pension,is that right?
Not really. Your employer deducts 9% from your salary for super contributions.

I was running a factory when the figure went from (I think?) a 6% to a 9% super contribution. The boss deducted the extra three percent from the workers wages. They thought they'd just got a 3% wage decrease whilst my boss saw it the other way. It was eventful at work for a while.

So if your future employer states the 'salary package' when offering a job, you must deduct 9% to find 'basic salary'. Always ask if the figure quoted is "package" or basic"... its not uncommon to employers to 'forget' that little detail.
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Not really. Your employer deducts 9% from your salary for super contributions.
That's not necessarily the case, my 9% was paid directly by the employer and was on top of my agreed hourly rate.
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Not really. Your employer deducts 9% from your salary for super contributions.

I was running a factory when the figure went from (I think?) a 6% to a 9% super contribution. The boss deducted the extra three percent from the workers wages. They thought they'd just got a 3% wage decrease whilst my boss saw it the other way. It was eventful at work for a while.

So if your future employer states the 'salary package' when offering a job, you must deduct 9% to find 'basic salary'. Always ask if the figure quoted is "package" or basic"... its not uncommon to employers to 'forget' that little detail.
Most of the jobs I've looked at have super on top of the hourly rate,maybe I'm just in the right type of job?
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That's not necessarily the case, my 9% was paid directly by the employer and was on top of my agreed hourly rate.
So to recap on this pension thing,my employer puts 9% in,I can pay in my own payments before tax up to a certain amount,can draw my pension at 60 tax free and people are complaining,hmm doesn't sound too bad.


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