Guest Gollywobbler Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi All Legislation has either been passed earlier this week or is about to be passed (I'm not sure which) that will have a substantial impact on some of the people who hope to apply to migrate to Australia but who have not yet lodged an application for a GSM visa. GSM = General Skilled Migration = no employer sponsorship. GSM visas can be unsponsored, State sponsored or family sponsored but they are not employer sponsored. The relevant document is here: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/4BD460987FA1AD09CA25768D0007252A/$file/0928290A091201EV.pdf A well-known migration agent gave me his initial reaction to the document above in an e-mail yesterday evening. I quote verbatim: I was just reading changes coming in on 01 January 2010 require 175/176 applicants (in to-be- gazetted trade occupations) will require 12 months experience in that nominated trade occupation and not "in any skilled occupation." So those tradies who's recent experience does not exactly match their nominated occupation, had better try and lodge prior to 01 January 2010. It could affect recognised tradespersons who are working as supervisors unless they can convince DIAC they are working hands-on in the nominated trade for at least 20 hours per week It will affect the tradesman who has become a production manager or any other related or unrelated occupation Bigger things happening on-shore with 885/886 applicants requiring to get suitable skills assessment before applying for the visa AND, for gazetted tradies, a requirement to get a skills assessment dated 01 January 2010 or later. I wondered where my informant obtained his information till I happened to look at ComLaw for a completely unrelated purpose just now. As far as I can see, there is nothing on the DIAC website about these latest changes from 1st Jan 2010 as yet? I can't find anything specific, anyway. I think we will see more about all this soon - probably next week sometime, I suspect. Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest charw Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi All Legislation has either been passed earlier this week or is about to be passed (I'm not sure which) that will have a substantial impact on some of the people who hope to apply to migrate to Australia but who have not yet lodged an application for a GSM visa. GSM = General Skilled Migration = no employer sponsorship. GSM visas can be unsponsored, State sponsored or family sponsored but they are not employer sponsored. The relevant document is here: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/4BD460987FA1AD09CA25768D0007252A/$file/0928290A091201EV.pdf A well-known migration agent gave me his initial reaction to the document above in an e-mail yesterday evening. I quote verbatim: I wondered where my informant obtained his information till I happened to look at ComLaw for a completely unrelated purpose just now. As far as I can see, there is nothing on the DIAC website about these latest changes from 1st Jan 2010 as yet? I can't find anything specific, anyway. I think we will see more about all this soon - probably next week sometime, I suspect. Cheers Gill Hi Gill, Does this indicate new MODL + other nasty changes will land roughly 21 Dec.? Messy Australian migration.. I can't imagine their unpublished motives. Sooner all applicants will start to curse Australian authorities for these retroactive changes...... Who cares.. If these changes will effect us again I hope there will be at least a provision for asking refunds. I will definitely ask that..... Fed up of this bl**dy game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi Gill, Does this indicate new MODL + other nasty changes will land rougly 21 Dec. Messy Australin migration.. Hi charw It is undoubtedly going to be messy, I reckon. I've no idea when they plan to make an announcement or how they plan to do so. The Minister is fond of whingeing that unless he springs changes on applicants and potential applicants with little or no prior notice, they get in first with applications that defeat his intentions. Which is as it may be but he can't implement all of his desired changes without altering some of the Migration Regulations and the Law doesn't permit him to make those changes without a prior legislative process. If people happen to spot what is in the pipeline and they act accordingly before the Minister has a chance to spring yet more nasty surprises, that is the Minister's tough luck in my view. Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest charw Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi charw It is undoubtedly going to be messy, I reckon. I've no idea when they plan to make an announcement or how they plan to do so. The Minister is fond of whingeing that unless he springs changes on applicants and potential applicants with little or no prior notice, they get in first with applications that defeat his intentions. Which is as it may be but he can't implement all of his desired changes without altering some of the Migration Regulations and the Law doesn't permit him to make those changes without a prior legislative process. If people happen to spot what is in the pipeline and they act accordingly before the Minister has a chance to spring yet more nasty surprises, that is the Minister's tough luck in my view. Cheers Gill Gill, Now I have real doubts why I applied Australian migration. Shelling thousands of $$$ & asking this killing pain & losing my peace of mind.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest izephyr Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi everybody, I don't think that 'Everything' is not going to be Messy. Apparently, the immi dept has jammed the whole thing in a prioritization process but in no way has intention of causing much damage to the hearts that are already in the 'PIPELINE'. Any amendments to the legislation will generally be effective for those who will apply after the commencement of the law. So, hopefully, the department will do something that will be good to you, me and Australia, where you are planning to live in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andy crawley Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 what a bloody mess, its turning into. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest charw Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi everybody, I don't think that 'Everything' is not going to be Messy. Apparently, the immi dept has jammed the whole thing in a prioritization process but in no way has intention of causing much damage to the hearts that are already in the 'PIPELINE'. Any amendments to the legislation will generally be effective for those who will apply after the commencement of the law. So, hopefully, the department will do something that will be good to you, me and Australia, where you are planning to live in the future. Who can say NO?. For example Sep 23 attack paper says " No more visas for CAT 5-7 until 2011 for onshore & 2012 for offshore even for those who have had requests for medicals from DIAC ". Now DIAC is issuing VISAS such for cat 5. It can be commended. But does that mean all applicants after lodgment must subscribe to public immigration forums to know that. Why can't they publish that ?????Shame on DIAC... Nasty. I m sure this December or January will be an another round of s**t.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr luvpants Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 No mention of not letting 175/176 visa applicants not getting PR straight away, which I am pleased about unless that has not been published yet? JOHN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 No mention of not letting 175/176 visa applicants not getting PR straight away, which I am pleased about unless that has not been published yet? JOHN Hi John I think the changes that I was told about last evening and found the new Instrument about this afternoon are aimed at deterring tradies, both onshore and offshore, and maybe also aimed at weeding out practices such as "the SA loophole." This particular gem is not aimed at people whose occupations are strategically and nationally important and in short supply - eg nurses. It is aimed at weeding out various other potential applicants, however. I agree with charw. I don't think this represents the only set of surprises being hatched up ready for the new year. Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest charw Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 No mention of not letting 175/176 visa applicants not getting PR straight away, which I am pleased about unless that has not been published yet? JOHN They will not publish beforehand . You know Chris Evans is a master in all sorts of games. Read this http://mia.org.au/latest-news/Submission-to-the-Minister-General-Skilled-Migration-297.html Above reveals what is going inside. Prime minister listens critics, Chris Evans listens prime. Then Chris listens opposition ... Then Chris changes everything into a mess whereas GSM applicants, MIA, state governments, The MARA .... no one knows what minister does. See page 7 in Pdf file in the link 14. Risk of Further Retrospective Changes The Minister has indicated that the GSM program will be undergo further review. It is entirely possible that changes could be retrospective and continue to affect people whose applications have already been lodged. For instance, if the Points Test pass marks are increased, this would affect all people whose applications have not yet been assessed. Given the huge number of applications in the system already, any retrospective changes could result in further significant hardship and inequity for many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest charw Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 They will not publish beforehand . You know Chris Evans is a master in all sorts of games. Read this http://mia.org.au/latest-news/Submission-to-the-Minister-General-Skilled-Migration-297.html Above reveals what is going inside. Prime minister listens critics, Chris Evans listens prime. Then Chris listens opposition ... Then Chris changes everything into a mess whereas GSM applicants, MIA, state governments, The MARA .... no one knows what minister does. See page 7 in Pdf file in the link 14. Risk of Further Retrospective Changes The Minister has indicated that the GSM program will be undergo further review. It is entirely possible that changes could be retrospective and continue to affect people whose applications have already been lodged. For instance, if the Points Test pass marks are increased, this would affect all people whose applications have not yet been assessed. Given the huge number of applications in the system already, any retrospective changes could result in further significant hardship and inequity for many people. Finally, Irony is MIA had to teach chris how to govern his portfolio, Read this in page 8 of the above link. He has already lost his face.... "The MIA believes that you must engage :biglaugh: in an open and inclusive public debate on what the objectives and settings for the GSM program should be. Its position as the largest single Australian migration program, and therefore its influence on the manifold dimensions of Australia’s future, demand nothing less. It must not continue to suffer the reprehensible neglect or ad hoc changes it has experienced in recent times." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi charw I wouldn't bank on the idea that the Minister is interested in what the MIA think. I suspect that the Minister's main focus is to try to secure another term in office for the Rudd Government. Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MouseBear Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Just reading the new threads and 'Oh my gosh' - so is it quite apparent that they're trying to slow down tradies going out there then? And with these 'retrospective changes' possible - could we be in a devastating mess again?? Have I got that right??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest charw Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi charw I wouldn't bank on the idea that the Minister is interested in what the MIA think. I suspect that the Minister's main focus is to try to secure another term in office for the Rudd Government. Cheers Gill All ministers in all countries are same. Reality in my country tooooo:jimlad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Just reading the new threads and 'Oh my gosh' - so is it quite apparent that they're trying to slow down tradies going out there then? And with these 'retrospective changes' possible - could we be in a devastating mess again?? Have I got that right??? Hi Mousebear I have come to the conclusion that "Senator Chris Evans" and "devastating mess" are wholly interchangeable synonyms. Hitherto there has been quite a lot of slack in the system, with lawyers construing the fine print narrowly and finding ways for their clients to take advantage of the slack. The Minister is determined to take the slack out of the system but he seems to specialise in doing so via causing carnage as far as the Skilled Stream is concerned. I don't understand the details of skilled visas well enough to have a full picture about exactly what effects the changes which are the subject of this thread will have. I also don't think that this one document represents the whole story about what new surprises are incubating. I think we will have to keep a close eye on the woodwork for the next two or three weeks. Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MouseBear Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 So a 'TRY AND STAY CALM' approach may be required!! I may have to have a glass of Santa's sherry to help me with this:biglaugh: Thanks Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petals Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Being cynical I think we have to understand there are migrants and migrants in all of these changes, gov of both persuasions are not wanting to upset the balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBone Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 When will people realise that the Australian government are not trying to punish potential migrants, they are trying to ensure that Australia's interests are looked after first and that potential migrants are brought here for the right reasons. For example... If somebody applies for a job as an Electrician, but for the past 6 years they have worked as a supervisor, they will struggle to find work, or keep work. That is not in the best interests of Australia or the Migrant surely. Same for nurses, if they havent worked on a ward, hands-on, for several years, are they really still qualified nurses? I know in my trade that you have to keep up with certification etc every 2-3 years. The DIAC understand the issues that migrants face more than any one of us do, they collate information from State Sponsored migrants to understand the success stories and the not so successful. If this decision has been made i am sure it has been made because of substantial evidence proving that if you havent got recent experience you will struggle to find work, not good for anyone in my opinion. I had to prove that i had been employed as an Electrician for at least 3 of the last 5 years, including the last 12 months, so i dont see how the changes are going to be that drastic. I agree that somebody who qualified as a hairdresser when they were 16, but has worked as a checkout girl ever since should not qualify for GSM as a hairdresser. One of the reasons i seek to migrate to Australia is for this very reason, i like the fact that they are very selective, it means that the future of Australia is bright and if i am lucky enough to be accepted i am glad to be a part of that future. Thanks J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basil Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I thought you already had to have 12months work experience in your nominated occupation! I'm sure it was like this a few years back in any case....so it's just going full circle? I know it's upsetting for some but it does make sense really. Point 14 about Retrospecitve changes and the points test makes me anxious.....I first second-guessed that *might* happen given the category 5 timeline of 2012 to be 'finalised'.......which fits in nicely with an increase points pass mark and then 2 years in the pool before being finalised .....or rather tinned in some cases. Finalised isn't always grant remember! Still, only time will tell what they have up their sleeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hello JayBone At 7.07pm today you told us in this thread: If somebody applies for a job as an Electrician, but for the past 6 years they have worked as a supervisor, they will struggle to find work, or keep work. That is not in the best interests of Australia or the Migrant surely. However at 5.15pm today you told Pommymarty as follows: With your background as a Tech and now an Inspector you should definitley put your CV into Chevron, they have a n expression of Interest now for the Gorgon project. Heres the link... https://www.chevron.au.apply2jobs.com/ select Operations on the dropdown menu Also see Woodside, they are advertising for Inst/Elec techs now (onshore and Offshore) http://woodsidehiringnow.taleo.net/c...ch.ftl?lang=en Also check out ConocoPhillips (Darwin) ExxonMobil (Melbourne) and BG Group (Brisbane) they have advertised recently too. I had an interview with Exxon but was only offered One week on/One week off which is not what im looking for! where can you go in Australia with only a week off plus travel time?!? Why do you believe that Pommymarty will find it easy to do that which - two hours later - you say cannot be done in Australia, please? Curious Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHANO7 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi Gill God this is all frustrating especially as you just want to enjoy christmas ! We have applied and confirmed by DIAC a 175 sc We are awaiting WA SS to convert. Sophie my other half has passed TRA as a hairdresser so i think we can agree that we are in the system. My concern is the points and if the job comes off MODL. We currently have 120 and need 120 for a 175. If we get SS we only need 100 and would also have an increased total of 130 if they calculate points when application looked at rather than when lodged. In your experience do you think a surplus points tally of 30 is enough should the points tally change ? thanks Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBone Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hello JayBone At 7.07pm today you told us in this thread: However at 5.15pm today you told Pommymarty as follows: Why do you believe that Pommymarty will find it easy to do that which - two hours later - you say cannot be done in Australia, please? Curious Gill Because the project that i was talking about will require a large number of inspection engineers, which he is (currently), and with his background as a Technician (previously) as well i think he will be able to find work.....hence my message. Regards, J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieRocket0 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi Guys, a friend of mine from the US sent me this article, I thought that since the Eagle was a distant cousin of the turkey, I thought the same might be said for Mr.Rudd and his 'learned' colleague Mr.Evans, answers on a postcard to...... On a recent trip to the U.S.A. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of Australia was invited to address a major gathering of the American Indian Nations in Kitimat, B.C. due to his experiences in handling the Australian indigenous situation in Australia . He spoke for almost an hour on his ideas for increasing every First Nation's present standard of living. At the conclusion of his speech, the tribes presented the Prime Minister with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name – "Walking Eagle". The proud Rudd then departed with his entourage, waving to the crowd as he left. A news reporter later asked the chiefs how they came to select the new name given to Rudd. They explained that Walking Eagle; is the name given to a bird so full of s**t, it can no longer fly. How many 'Walking Eagles' do you know?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie ellis Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi Guys, a friend of mine from the US sent me this article, I thought that since the Eagle was a distant cousin of the turkey, I thought the same might be said for Mr.Rudd and his 'learned' colleague Mr.Evans, answers on a postcard to......On a recent trip to the U.S.A. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of Australia was invited to address a major gathering of the American Indian Nations in Kitimat, B.C. due to his experiences in handling the Australian indigenous situation in Australia . He spoke for almost an hour on his ideas for increasing every First Nation's present standard of living. At the conclusion of his speech, the tribes presented the Prime Minister with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name – "Walking Eagle". The proud Rudd then departed with his entourage, waving to the crowd as he left. A news reporter later asked the chiefs how they came to select the new name given to Rudd. They explained that Walking Eagle; is the name given to a bird so full of s**t, it can no longer fly. How many 'Walking Eagles' do you know?? now thats funny , i like that one:laugh::laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellathedog Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 [/color][/color][/size]They explained that Walking Eagle; is the name given to a bird so full of s**t, it can no longer fly. Thankyou!!! Even made the old man laugh! Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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