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Old 15-05-2008, 09:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Painter/builder 457 & Cpv/retiree Visa's...help!!!

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Haven't posted much at all lately as we still haven't sold the house (been for sale since Sept 07) and have been trying to put OZ to the back of our minds until we get an offer.

Now tho' we have some great news, my brother and his wife, and my parents have all decided to come to TAS to! We are exstatic, altho' it hasn't really sunk in yet and I can't quite believe it's true.

We have our visa sorted but I don't know much about theirs. My bro is a painter & decorator/builder but has no qualifications as he worked in the family business for years. I've read about pathway D being closed and pathway E opening? Has anyone attended one of these AQF placement thingies in the UK? Don't really understand it, does it mean that if he did this he would be fully OZ qualified as a builder, would he still need a TRA assessment? Also don't know anything at all about 457 visa's, employer sponsorship etc. Do you just contact potential employers and how much are they involved in the visa process?

Any help would be gratefully received as we are completely clueless about this stuff.

Also with regards to my parents, we bought them a book on retiring to OZ it talks about a retiree visa? does anyone know if this is the same as a CPV.

Looking forward to hearing from all you knowledgable PIO'ers!

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Hi there

Don't know much about retirement visas. With regards to your brother in-law, my O/h was in the same boat. He is a painter and decorator with no quals so we thought that we had no way in with the closure of pathway D but have now found that there is a company in Australia who offer the AQF111 qualification here in the uk. The company is ACTS and they charge £3750 but this includes all of the relevant docs so that you can work as a painter and decorator in Australia. We contacted them last month and we are now ready to have his work assessed.

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Hi there

Don't know much about retirement visas. With regards to your brother in-law, my O/h was in the same boat. He is a painter and decorator with no quals so we thought that we had no way in with the closure of pathway D but have now found that there is a company in Australia who offer the AQF111 qualification here in the uk. The company is ACTS and they charge £3750 but this includes all of the relevant docs so that you can work as a painter and decorator in Australia. We contacted them last month and we are now ready to have his work assessed.

Hope this helps.

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Hi Jules,

Thanx for your reply, that's a lot of dosh! Does he have to have any training in Oz methods first or do they just assess the skills he already has? So when he passes, does he have to have any other assessment like TRA? I was also wondering if being qualified as AQFIII is an advantage in Oz. Is it something that a brit would have to gain to actually work over there?

Soz to ask so much, I'm totally clueless bout this subject?

Thanx again

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The qualification is all done in uk. You have to supply references to prove what you can do and other evidence and then they come and watch you at work. Once all this is done your evidence is sent to TRA for assesment. Once your assesment is complete you are then ready to apply for your visa. Alan from GoMatilda is also doing something simular but with his one you have to go out to Australia for the practical side. The qualification is Australian and recognised and with the business poackage that comes with it you also get membership to one of the Master painters association too. (think that was the right name) and are ready to hit the ground running when you get out there. My advice to your Brother in law would be to contact ACTS and GoMatilda and see which if any would be best for him. There is also another company that offer this qualification but I can't remember their name but I bet if you look at the threads on here relating to the AQF11 you will find it. Hope this helps.
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Old 15-05-2008, 10:38 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Cheers Jules, your a star. I've found the other thread you mentioned to so I can pass all this info onto him asap.

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Hi CC

With regard to your brother, please see the following threads:

http://www.pomsinoz.com/forum/migrat...pathway-d.html

http://www.pomsinoz.com/forum/migrat...34564-aqf.html

It would be worth your brother's while to contact both companies, I reckon.

And thank you very much to Jules 37 for mentioning it. I though Jackal would ahve to look for employer-sponsorship till Jules said otherwise, so she has done 30-year old Jackal a huge favour.

With regards to your Parents, when was te book published, CC? There used to be a visa called the subclass 410 Retirement Visa but it was discontinued in 2005 or 2006, and was replaced by the subclass 45 Investor Retirement Visa, which is here:

Investor Retirement (Subclass 405)

I know a couple who are considering the more expensive version of this visa because they want to move to the Mornington Peninsula, which they say is not regional. The Husband is a retired Finance Director of a large company. He saud that although he and his wife will become eligible for Contributtory Parent visas in due course - which would give them PR - seemingly the tax-breaks that flow from Temporary Residence in Oz are so good that he thinks they might stay on the Investor Retirement visa instead. I don't know anything about the tax angles but I suspect they should be investigated if your Parents decide to consider this visa.

In the longer term, would they qualify for Contributory Parent visas once you have become settle din Oz and could therefore Sponsor them? Please see here:

Family - Visas & Immigration

Parent Migration Booklet

And if all else fails, DIAC are usually pretty good about letting British Parents spend 6 months of each year in Australia. Please see here:

Tourist Visa (Subclass 676)

Sing out if I can help any further.

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Thanx Gill,

I've forwarded the info to my brother so he can get in touch with those companies and hopefully get the ball moving. He is in quite a rush to get to TAS (impatient like his sister lol, so with that in mind would you say that a 457 would be the quickest way? I have no idea about timescales or how it works.


My parents are on hols at the moment and are doing their reading in the sun so I'm not sure what it says exactly, I only bought the book a few months ago so it should be pretty upto date. I'll check it out myself when they get back next week.

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Hi CC

I think that the best option for your brother - by miles - would be to get the AQF III qualification and then get a positive TRA assessment. This will stand him in excellent stead regardless of whatever he does subsequently, so it would be a mistake not to do this bit first.

If, having obtained his positive skills assessment your brother is still in a hurry, his best might be to see whether he can get State Nomination from the Government of Tasmania for a skilled independent subclass 176 visa. Painter & Decorator is on the list of skills that Tasmania is willing to sponsor people for, and the processing may well be quicker than for a subclass 175 visa. Please see here:

Migrating to Tasmania

http://www.development.tas.gov.au/mi...20Jan%2008.pdf

The advantages that the skilled 76 visa would offer over the 457 visa are as follows:

Your brother would get PR in Oz on Day One.

He wold only have to make one visa application instead of 2 (for a temporary 457 and then for a permanent visa).

He could almost certainly get a 176 visa in no longer than it would take to identify a willing employer-sponsor, for the latter to go through all the rigmarole of being approved by DIAC etc - which can be a slow process - followed by the 457 visa application itself.

In my view your brother should definitely get the skills assessemtn and then go straight for a PR visa if he can.

With regard to the book that you bought, it is almost certainly recent enough to contain information about the sc 405 Investor Retirement visa. It has been arund for at least 2 years and I think the switch to it was actually made in 2005 rather than 2006 anyway, from memory.

That said, though, if your Parents can meet the Balance of Family Test for Contributory Parent visas, it is unlikely that they would choose to bother with the cost of Investor Retirement Visas to start with. Although Booklet 3 (Parent Migration) chunters abut the idea that the Sponsor "usually" needs to have lived in Oz for around two years before a CPV application can be made, in practice the whole thing is far more flexible than Booklet 3 suggests.

Please see this article by Alan Collett of Go Matilda on this question and please read the two MRT cases that Alan cites in the article:

Go Matilda - Your Gateway to Australia - News

What happens with a LOT of families where a CPV is going to become possible is as follows:

Parents make one or two six month visits to Oz whilst they wait until they can apply for CPVs. They do this via using the subcbclass 676 tourist visa. Please see here:

Tourist Visa (Subclass 676)

They luanch the CPV application as soon as the their Sponsor has become sufficiently "settled" In Oz.

That done, they then apply for a stay of 12 unbroken months in Australia, again using a subclass 676 visa. A special concession in the rules for the subclass 676 visa states that where a Parent or CPV application is in the pipeline, the Parent should normally be permitted a stay of up to 12 unbroken months in Oz if requested.

If one tourist visa would be insufficient to "bridge" the whole of the wait for the CPV, no worries. By the time the first sc 676 visa has expired, the CPV application will be ell advanced. All that your Parents would need to do would be to nip to Auckland for a few days so as to obtain another 12 month stay in Oz on a new 676 visa.

Then when the CPV is ready to be granted, they nip to Auckland for another 5 days so that their CPV can be granted and evidenced. Please see here:

http://www.pomsinoz.com/forum/migrat...melbourne.html

Best wishes

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