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Old 11-04-2008, 08:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Help. Parent Visa Query

Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum so apologies for the long winded query.

My partner and I are planning to emigrate in about 18 months' time to Melbourne. I think this is going to be fairly straightforward as I have dual nationality so he would just need to go on a spouse visa. We also have a son and I am currently in the process of seeing whether he qualifies for dual nationality as well.

The problem we have is that my partners father recently died and as an only child he would like his mother to come with us, she is actually very keen on this idea and, to add to the situation (!) his nan also wants to go! She already has a son in Melbourne to sponsor her. However, neither of them have any substantial amounts of money and would have to apply for a non-contributory aged parent visa. Our problem lies in the fact that this is going to take years and, I hate to say it, but his nan probably wouldn't be around to obtain her visa. My partner's mum is 65 so at a guess she is going to be nearing 80 before she got hers.

Is there anyway that they can come out and stay with us on concurrent tourist visas while they waited for their visa applications to come through? How many 12 month tourist visas or ETAs will the authorities issue for someone?

I hope that this all makes sense!

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Old 11-04-2008, 09:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi

Sorry I cant comment on the Parent Visa part but just wanted to advise you that we sent off applicaton forms for our daughters Citizenship by descent on Wednesday and the certificates were with us Tuesday! All we had to send was their birth certificates, British passports and my husbands certificate of citizenship and passport. Was so quick and easy!

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Old 11-04-2008, 09:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks. I thought it would be fairly straightforward for my son's visa. My problem is trying to get a baby to sit still long enough for a passport photo! Was your husband a citizen by descent, or by birth? I don't have a certificate of citizenship just my birth certificate as I was born in Sydney.
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Old 11-04-2008, 09:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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He was named on his parents certificate of citizenship, they got that by Naturalisation. He only lived there from the age of 4 to 6. When we were looking into getting our girls certificate we came accross a form that you can complete to get your own certificate ( he is going to do this as he is only named on his mum's)

He is going to complete form
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/119.pdf

But i just re-read the application for Citizenship by descent form (118) and it states the parent can send either their certificate of citizenship OR their full Australian birth certificate as proof.

We took our youngest, 10 weeks at the time, to a photographer for her photos. He only charged £5, bargain!

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Hello Robles

Welcome to Poms in Oz.

For an Aged Parent visa to be launched, the Parent must be in Australia at the time when the visa application is made. The Parent must also be in Australia at the time when the visa is granted. The theory goes that the fact that there will be a gap of many years between the two is not the applicant's fault, so the applicant goes onto a Bridging Visa during the wait. More information is here:

http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1024i.pdf

Note that in the Mediare section it specifically says that the holder of a Bridging Visa who has applied for a Parent visa is not entitled to Medicare. I do not know whetherr the Reciprocal Health Care Agreement between the UK and Oz would kick in so as to provide limited Medicare for a British Parent in this situation, regardless of Form 1024i. Please see here:

Visitors to Australia - Medicare Australia

I suspect that the first question is what is the exact legal status of a Bridging Visa holder? Is s/he a visitor to Australia? If not then what is s/he because s/he clearly isn't a resident of Australia either?

I don't know enough about the legal intricacies to be able to answer my own question. I also think much depends on what Medicare's actual practice is, regardless of anything that the RHCA might say.

However, the day when somebody is admitted to Intensive Care at potentially colossal expense is no time to be wondering about who is going to be responsible for a whoppig medical bill, so do please bear this query in mind.

The second thing you need to consider is how to get the prospective Aged Parent visa applicant into Australia in the first place? After all, if people can simply emigrate to Australia lock, stock & barrel on the strength of nothing more than a tourist visa, what is the point of any of the rest of Australia's migration legislation?

DIAC give out a really mixed message on this one. The legislation states categorically that tourist visas may not be granted unless the applicant states a clear intention to only make a short visit to Australia for the purpose of tourism. The proposed purpose of the visit and also the proposed duration of stay in Australia are questions which are asked in the application form for a tourist visa, whether that is made on line or on paper. These questions are both repeated in the passenger card that the person must complete on the plane. It is possible that the person could be asked these two questions a third time at Immigration Control at the airport in Oz.

Clearly if the person reveals that the real purpose of the visit is permanent migration to Oz and that the proposed duration of the visit is indefinite, the visa will not be forthcoming. If the truth is revealed on the passenger card or at Immi Control, there is a risk that the visa will be cancelled on the spot once the truth emerges.

It is therefore unwise to take this sort of idea for granted because it might not prove to be possible in practice.

You should really take legal advice from a solicitor or a Migration Agent in Australia about your proposals because it is not necessarily as easy to make them work satisfactorily in practice as you might imagine at this early stage in your planning.

However if the Parent succeeds in entering Oz and the visa s/he is holding is not lumbered by Condition 8503 - no further stay - then the remainder works as I have described above. Long stay tourist visas can attract Condition 8503. 90-day ETA visas cannot, but please note the circumstances in which a 90-day ETA can be granted. More information about Condition 8503 is here:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sh...a_condition.ht

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Thanks Gill for your advice, that's really helpful.

Does anyone know how many tourist visas an individual could have without there being a problem. Could someone just nip to Auckland, for example, and continuously renew an ETA or a long stay visa?
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Hi Robles

DIAC detest the idea of people trying to use repeated tourist visas in order to try to live in Australia.

But with Aged Parent visas in the pipeline, neither lady would be on a tourist visa anyway. Both would be on Bridging Visas insted.

I'm not really sure why you are asking about tourist visas therefore?

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I was thinking about my mother in law staying with us during the two year period in which my OH would have to become "settled" before sponsoring her.
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Hi Robles

As long as your OH has PR on his Spouse visa, you could sponsor your Mother in Law for Aged Parent visa after you have been back in Oz for only 3 months, because you are an Australian Citizen.

However, Hubby MUST have PR in Oz before his mother can apply.

How long have you and your partner been together?

Also, is the son that you describe the biological child of both of you? How old is he, please?

OH ought to qualify for an immediately-psermanent Spouse visa I would hvae thought? Please see here:

Spouse Visa: Offshore Temporary and Permanent (Subclasses 309 and 100)

With regard to your ability to Sponsor Mother in Law - as long as OH first has PR - please see here:

Parent Migration Booklet

Please read the stuff abut the Sponsor which I think is on Page 16 or Booklet 3, I think.

I don't see a problem with getting your M-i-l in to Oz. I am more concerned about Nan. How old is she, please? Although they ought to grant her a 90-day ETA if she applies for one, they might not do that if she is very old.

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Hi Gill

Thanks for your replies they're really great. We are not married but have been together about 12 years and our son is ten months old now.

My other half's nan is about 85 (Rob has only a vague idea!) but fairly fit. She does already have a son who has been a permanent resident in Melbourne for about 30 years so we assumed that he could sponsor her straight away. If we all went that would be OH's entire family in Oz.


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