The line in the sand is very true, but its often blurred by a simple Australian/British
There are similar folk on both sides, and its often confusing for both sides when either side is infiltrated by people with completely different views but quoting similar instances.
Desire for better is not a whine about current status
Some will whine about current status with no real desire for change
Some see hot white beaches, some see sun burn and cancer
Some see ice and snow and shiver, some run for the snow boards
Some claim to be great at Rugby, others "swing low sweet chariot..."