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Our experience of Anglo pacific also wasn't good enough. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Not so. If there's evidence of intention to live abroad (and they do include spouse) the application is at risk. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/262355/ch18annexf.pdf I'm a lawyer. I like small print. each must be satisfied as to their own actions, and when we looked into it we didn't fit the requirements because our intention was already otherwise. Getting dh citizenship was on our list of jobs before we left the uk. In my view that = fail, for us. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Thank you I found it, it was very helpful. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I just want to say again, you guys are amazing. You've really helped me get to the bottom of this. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Yes. I had also wondered too about whether our friends need separate representation. There's nothing to my knowledge to indicate that their employer won't help them in obtaining info etc. I will see what response first comes from their enquiries, and then suggest they get their own advice. I think their employer would even probably pay for it. There's a lot invested in making this situation work from the employers point of view. Moving them to another country to start again will be very costly. It's in their interest to make this work. Looking at the subclass occupations now though after what I've discovered, I don't think they ever had a hope with the 457. I don't think it fits. And then one looks at the obligation to be frank and candid in the code. I hope the agent gave a fair assessment. If s/he did, this is an extremely regrettable, avoidable situation. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Thanks, can you delete any non agent posts snifter, as I don't know who is who on the forum. Also: thanks to those agents who have responded. I have a good picture in my head. I've given my friend some pointers and told her where to go / what to ask and what info to check with her employer. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Yes. I think her employer must be the client. I'm not acting for her in any way. I'm trying to find out where she needs to go next and yes I agree that she can't get her file till someone withdraws instructions and appoints someone else. MARA didn't say it like that to me, so I found out the situation about termination and requesting papers from the code when I was able to get on their site. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

She's not working. She's stuck here on a bridging visa while she waits for more news. Their initial visa was a business visit visa under which they were allowed to set up meetings for the program their employer was establishing with their help. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I'm going through the code now. It seems none of the management of client work clauses have been complied with. My friend has nothing in writing though I wonder whether that has gone to her employer and bypassed her. Mara told me on the phone she can request her file. But on reading section 10 it looks like that applies to the termination of instructions rather than just at any time asking for a copy? She hasn't terminated the instructions yet. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

It was down for them too when I rang, it's up now though. Will do more on there. Thank you for the recommendations too. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Well when I read it, it said they could revoke the citizenship at any time. And as a spouse, me submitting an application to then move to Australia and gain permanent residence, with us both taking all our kids to Australian as newly granted citizens of Australia, didn't seem a good look to me. It could be that draconian power isn't used much. But our conscience dictated the actions we took, we knew we didn't have permanent intention to live in the uk. I think it's wise for someone making that choice, to research and see how they feel about making a declaration that they are planning to live in the uk permanently. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

(I've also asked her to talk to her employers and suggest they get a second opinion. Mara is still down I can't check the registration. ) Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Thanks again. I've passed that info on. I'm going to get her to push for the info from both people. Apparently 2 weeks ago my friend did ask for copies of something but didn't get anything. I've suggested she mentions the code this time. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Thank you that is amazing. I have managed to find out about the option of obtaining the copy of the file when I called Mara this morning. They told me about the code. Couldn't research it because their site was down. I agree, need urgent advice and need to know what has been lodged and copies of. Recourse with Mara and complaint, they tell me, can't affect their application. But I'm concerned about something else now. 457 looks like the wrong visa.... My friend is calling round in a minute and I will get all the info from her I can. What do you suggest she says on the phone to the agent? " we are just reviewing our file and our family situation, can I please have a copy of your file including all the applications made and papers lodged with DIPB" ? Does that raise a red flag? From my educated (though not in Australia!) perspective looks like negligence to me. Do people cover up and remove correspondence? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Hi I will keep this a little vague for now. I am trying to help friends who are here from overseas and who were originally here on visitor visas in the advice from an immigration agent (Mara registered) but who it subsequently turns out had not even submitted the 457 that they thought the agent had. Only reason given is workload, and basically as a lawyer myself hearing about how all this has gone, I think the agent has been incompetent / negligent and now our friends are stuck in different countries, one with their young children and can't be reunited until the outcome of the 457 is decided. Doesn't look as though they have a case number yet. I don't think they should have come here on the visitor visas as they were carrying out business activities. The ins and outs are complicated but my real question is, what redress do they have in terms of getting someone to look at what the agent has done, requesting the file, etc? I think there is evidence of our friends' intention as to their reason for being in Australia in correspondence, emails and phone calls chasing an agent who hadn't done what they thought s/he had, and I think that is probably important in the evidence to be submitted for the 457. I'm not here on a 457 so am not familiar with all the supporting evidence possible / required. But I think they have failed 2 bridging visa applications because the original mistake is an automatic black mark. If that mistake is due to an agent's negligence, what then? Anyone in SA that can help? MARA's website doesn't work. I've tried to look up complaining about an agent. Our friends have tried but not been given any numbers / registration / application numbers that can link them to their application. My thoughts are to innocently ask for the file to be transferred to a 'local' lawyer and have it reviewed for past mistakes and potential recourse / where to go from here. Thoughts please? Thanks Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk