Electricians Thread !!!!!

dobber · 14-05-2009, 08:12 AM

southerngent
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**southerngent** · 14-05-2009, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by stewe12345

You must complete the Vetassess if you live in the following countries United Kingdom, India, Sri Lanka, South Africa and the Philippines for these nominated trades for the purpose of a visa. If you wanted to do the TRA route you can do this as a extra. Stupid, expensive and long winded rules !!!!!

Depending on experiance TRA assess Electrician (special class) in the above countries. It took them less than two weeks for me, and is completely paper based. quick no-hassle and half the money. But maybe more hassle when you get there.(am not there yet).

It will be a while before we know the best route and it seems a changing situation however if like myself your planning a 6-12 month break when you get there- there should be plenty of time to sort out the snags down under.

**WarrenG** · 14-05-2009, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by southerngent

Depending on experiance TRA access Electrician (special class) in the above countries. It took them less than two weeks for me, and is completely paper based. quick no-hassle and half the money. But maybe more hassle when you get there.(am not there yet).

It will be a while before we know the best route and it seems a changing situation however if like myself your planning a 6-12 month break when you get there- there should be plenty of time to sort out the snags down under.

Thanks for the replies. It does seem to be a bit like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing situation. I have emailed PEER (kate) to see if she can clarify once and for all the TRA route instead of the Vetassess route. Thanks to Arthur for the details!

My concern is the ARTC and obtaining that for the Visa process because you need that or the Vetassess OTSR for the Visa application I am lead to beleive? If you were to go back right at the start of this thread, (pages 1-3, I think) you will see some responces that I posted and that I had received back from TRA about the ARTC certificate. It states that TRA are no longer the assessing body for residents of the United Kingdom.

Like everyone else, I want to take the better route but either way I would expect a practical assessment either here in the UK or in OZ. Trouble is just trying to find the clear cut route to take without paying out unessessary money.

We are not using a agent because I think these guys just add to the confusion, one will say one thing and another will say the total opposite with huge differences in costing and no guarantee's.

I guess, 'where there's a will, there's a way', so staying positive.

**southerngent** · 14-05-2009, 09:59 AM

Warren,

If you get a skills assesment as electrician (special class) with the TRA then they will access your qualifications for free and give you the ARTC once you have your visa, provided you have an AUS address for them to send it to. No need to be in Aus to get your ARTC, just need the visa.

edit-You only need the skills assesment for the visa application, the artc comes later.

**WarrenG** · 15-05-2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by southerngent

Warren,

If you get a skills assesment as electrician (special class) with the TRA then they will access your qualifications for free and give you the ARTC once you have your visa, provided you have an AUS address for them to send it to. No need to be in Aus to get your ARTC, just need the visa.

edit-You only need the skills assesment for the visa application, the artc comes later.

If I understand you correctly the skills assessment you mention is a paper based assessment with TRA?

Do they then provide some sort of proof (paperwork) for you to say that you have been successfully assessed in order to submit an application for a visa under a skilled trade as an electrician?

**no1spark** · 15-05-2009, 10:08 PM

Warren,
I spoke to the main person at PEER yesterday, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.

If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.

1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC, end of story.
You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.

This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
This system you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.

This means you can still do the A class likeness exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students. Can explain later.

For people who get the Cert of General Electrician, can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC they are fine.

People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a restricted license meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.

This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people doing General Electrician can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months.

Problems are

lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.

as I say I got this from the main man on Friday 15-5-2009 from PEER S/A

I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information for you

**no1spark** · 15-05-2009, 10:27 PM

This is for people migrating to Australia:

I spoke to the main person at PEER yesterday, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.

If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.

1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC, end of story.
You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.

This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
This system you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.

This means you can still do the A class likeness exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students. Can explain later.

For people who get the Cert of General Electrician, can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC they are fine.

People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a restricted license meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.

This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people doing General Electrician can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months.

Problems are

lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.

as I say I got this from the main man on Friday 15-5-2009 from PEER S/A

I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information for you

**WarrenG** · 16-05-2009, 08:55 AM

Once again many thanks for you informative post Arthur, I and I'm pretty sure others reading this thread are very greatful for your input.

As I posted earlier I did send an email to PEER but didn't get a reply so I'm really pleased that you posted the info to clarify.

Personally I have most of my paperwork ready to forward, which I would probably send recorded signed for but would you happen to know if they pushed you to the vetassess route whether your documents be forwarded to vetassess?

Just thinking that if the paperwork were to go walkies, it would take a long time to replace it all again?

**no1spark** · 16-05-2009, 10:58 PM

Warren, if you supply enough evidence & make it all look like you have done lots of installation work on industrial, commercial, domestic installing & connecting to 23v,414v gear & all dissociated equipment then you shall send your paperwork sown the ARTC route for Electrical Mechanic that's what you want, its all in how you make your application look

**esthapan** · 24-05-2009, 03:24 PM

i had applied for elctrician spl class, hoping i can get through with half money. but it was a fiasco.actually i have 17 yrs exp. in industrial elctrical/elecronic and hydrolic systems.but they rejected me with some willy-nilly reason. later i got through vetassess. if anybody planning to apply for electrician spl. class, plz think twice.
esthapan.