Electricians

[lisaandnick]

My husband and I are relocating to Sandstone Point just North of Brisbane is there any call for electricians around this area.

Has any electricians gone over and started a new life in this area and what licences do you need are they are covered within the skilled visa 175?

Any comments greatly received
Could anyone shed some light on the following we are doing a skilled 175 visa and apparently are agent says we will get the relevant licences to work when we get to Oz but other people are saying that we will need to get licences there can anyone help??????? Very confused

[no1spark]

lisaandnick;

have a look at what i have put together for people on here.

To who it may concern on this site
I spoke to the main person at PEER Training on 14-5-2009, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.

If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.

To Gain the Electrical Mechanic ARTC

1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC Electrical Mechanic, end of story.

You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.

This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that’s the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
Both ARTC & vatessess now have the system where you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
With the Vatessess You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.
This means you can still do the A class exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students.
For people who get the Cert of Electrical Mechanic & General Electrician, Electrical Fitter can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC.

People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a ”Restricted license” meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.
This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months if your living in QLD
Problems are

lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.
As I say I got this from the main man on Friday 15-5-2009 from PEER S/A

I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information
When you do the application you must have all documents signed & dated then the documents become a legal document make lots of copies make sure all is correct or the application shall be returned to you with little info stating why or what the problem may be from the migration dept.

It’s” illegal” to work in any state across Australia without the A class license, NO insurance company would touch a claim if anything was to go wrong.

Then if you intend to work for yourself after obtaining the A class license you then go to the nearest Tafe (College) and do a 12 week x 1 night per week doing a Business course.
When you have passed this course then you must obtain Insurance. It’s become normal now for Indemnity cover of $10,000,000 (Ten Million) dollars insurance cover.
Then you can quote for jobs in a legal capacity as I say this is only if you intend to be working for yourself, if you work for a company then all you require is the A class license.

If you intend to setup your own company & you have the A class license every job you do for any customer you must supply that customer with an COES (Certificate of Electrical Safety) one copy direct to the customer one copy to Energy Safe the other copy you keep for 7 years. Most installations are now being audited to about 30% in all states.

Getting the ATRC or ART or Vatessess may seem to be the easy part once your here this is exactly what must be achieved to work as a fully licensed electrician in Australia.


Most Migration “Agents” (That’s a laugh) do NOT inform people about the information above you pay them your money then that’s your lot you’re on your own when you get here.

I hope this information is of some value to any people who may be applying for migration.

Myself I try to help people around Melbourne, there is another person on British Ex Pats who lives in QLD his name on the site is Steve’O he is fantastic and very switched on he is also available for assistance with information for the migration process.
The duration of the A class license is 3 years it’s your responsibility to renew the license you get a renewal reminder then that's your lot if you DON'T renew you must sit all exams again.

The duration of the Contractors course in Melbourne is about 12 weeks x one night per week

Cost of A class license I think about $270.00 per 3 years

Cost of Contractors course about $850.00 (Allow for that) one payment only

Cost of Contractors license about $300.00 per year.

Cost of Insurance depends on how much cover you require I have $10,000,000 (Ten Million) costing $500.00 per year.

Regards & Best of luck with your applications, if you require help just ask
Arthur Quinn
Melbourne
If you don’t pay the licenses or Insurance your unable to work in a legal capacity.

[southerngent]

I just dug this up on the SA route that may help us sparks :
http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/assets/fil...heet_oseas.pdf

Quote
Trade Recognition Australia (TRA)
If you are a qualified electrical tradesperson from a country other than those recognised by VETASSESS, you can obtain an Australian Recognised Trade Certificate (ARTCs) from Trade Recognition Australia to assist in your application for a restricted electrical workers registration. TRA will assess your current qualifications/experience and technical skills and list the units of competency that you have completed on the ARTC.
Once you have been issued with an Australian Recognised Trade Certificate, you may then make an application for a workers registration with our office.
If you are recognised as an Electrician, Electrical Fitter or Electrical Mechanic, you may apply for a restricted registration with the condition: any electrical work under the supervision of a registered electrical worker.
To have this limitation removed or to apply for an unrestricted registration, you will also be required to provide evidence of completion of the approved AS/NZS 3000:2007 Wiring Rules course and exam.
For further information on the AS/NZS 3000:2007 Wiring Rules course and exam you may wish to contact either of the following organisations:
Regency Institute of TAFE (08) 8348 4426
PEER Tec (08) 8348 1200

[no1spark]

why would an Electrician want a restricted license that restriction is Ok for people doing minor electrical works like hot water systems or maybe Air Con maintenance work

Arthur

[southerngent]

Am guessing if an element of your ARTC is not met by your foriegn Qualifications this would be usefull for working whilst you do the relevent missing elements - otherwise useless..

[Rod]

Hello Arthur,this getting the 'A' licience seems to be a real pain in the arse - the Aussie system/s TRA & Vetassess look like they are always conflicting. From what I gather we seem to be much stricter electrically here in the UK than in Aussie,would you agree with that? - maybe one should use their trade to get in then start a cleaning or other business????
I went the Vetassess route and got the info booklet to re-read & several things of interest came up - TRA is no longer the relevant assessing authority for your nominated trade in your country of residence, On 1 September 2007 Vetassess became the assessing authority for the Australian General Skill Migration program for electricians etc from the UK,South Africa,Philippines,Sri Lanka & India - so what I'm saying is we all have to go this route...once I had handed in my relevant paperwork they send you a form stating
Level - 1 Successful - based on the evidence provided you are recommended to proceed to a practical skills assessment.
Level - 2 - Optional - you may proceed to a practical skills assessment however caution is recommended (based on the evidence supplied there is a risk of an unsuccessful practical skills assessment).
Level - 3 - Unsuccessful - Based on the evidence supplied there is insufficient evidence to progress to a practical skills assessment.
Hence why I say they all seem to conflict with one another with reference to ARTC etc, I'm now officially totally confused!! - Rod

[no1spark]

Rod, not strictly so mate the info they have given to you, when you make your application the paperwork goes to the same dept (same office ive been told) you supply enough evidence of the type of work you do then you get the ARTC if not they give it to the morons who send you down the vatessess route, i got this info last Thursday from the people in the know.

its a pig of a Job when they don't know what the hell they are all doing especially in the same frigging offices.????? its a joke

[donz]

My husband and I are relocating to Sandstone Point just North of Brisbane is there any call for electricians around this area.

Has any electricians gone over and started a new life in this area and what licences do you need are they are covered within the skilled visa 175?

Any comments greatly received
Could anyone shed some light on the following we are doing a skilled 175 visa and apparently are agent says we will get the relevant licences to work when we get to Oz but other people are saying that we will need to get licences there can anyone help??????? Very confused

My name is Farnie , i am a south-african sparky that has migrated here from U.K. 2 months ago , the ozzie`s are full of ... , when you get here you have to apply for a australia recognized trade certificate. workplace.gov.au - 2 Skills assessment for Australian Recognised Trade Certificate (ARTC)
which you need an ozzie address for , then , (4 weeks later) you can apply for a restricted permit that allows you to work under supervision while you go to TAFE (college) 1 night a week to get your full license which takes about 4 months if you do a fitter mechanic which is a sparky that can test. I am currently on a restricted license and cannot get work , because everyone wants fully licensed electricians. (become jib registered , that helped me for trade cert) I have heard that south australia license is easier and then you transfer it in queensland and if in another couple of weeks nothing happens , i will have to that or go back to U.K. as our saving are running out.

[southerngent]

Hi Donz
What is the course for 1 night a week - Is it the wiring regs ( do you have a coursename/number)

I believe the SA peer distance learning course is the wiring regs and you just go for the day to sit the exam..

[donz]

see post by southerngent on this page. course is as/nzs3000:2007 wiring rules , consists of 2 parts , wiring rules (which you need for fitter ) and testing ( fitter mechanic needs both) , i cannot get a place that does it full time, i am looking at south australia and PEER course at the minute.