I am a woman....the name gothicQUEEN should have given that away, also the fact that I am called HELEN
why wouldnt you employ me? What would that be based on, appearence or my ability to do a job, or is just because you are narrow minded (and I mean that in the sense that are you frightened of something you dont understand)?
Please could you give me reasons why as this may help me with my job search in Oz.
You see I would so hate to become a faceless person without my own style and personality, but your answer may help tailer where in Oz I am going to go[/quo
I apologse! I was looking at the photo and the main person is a man!
We employed about 50 people (in the UK) one stage in a busy retail shop (closed shop due to government taxes on small businesses). I would not employ anyone who just didn't look presentable especially working with the public. I have come across all sorts of peopel (I used to work for the police force as a medical forensic examiner) so you can imagine all types of people that are held in custody. I have met some of the nicest people ever but first impressions do count. If you have someone that looks scary and not presentable your chances of a job are limited.
I apologse! I was looking at the photo and the main person is a man!
We employed about 50 people (in the UK) one stage in a busy retail shop (closed shop due to government taxes on small businesses). I would not employ anyone who just didn't look presentable especially working with the public. I have come across all sorts of peopel (I used to work for the police force as a medical forensic examiner) so you can imagine all types of people that are held in custody. I have met some of the nicest people ever but first impressions do count. If you have someone that looks scary and not presentable your chances of a job are limited.
I apologse! I was looking at the photo and the main person is a man!
We employed about 50 people (in the UK) one stage in a busy retail shop (closed shop due to government taxes on small businesses). I would not employ anyone who just didn't look presentable especially working with the public. I have come across all sorts of peopel (I used to work for the police force as a medical forensic examiner) so you can imagine all types of people that are held in custody. I have met some of the nicest people ever but first impressions do count. If you have someone that looks scary and not presentable your chances of a job are limited.
Call me old fashioned! good luck in job hunting.
Well I find that quite amusing.
Before I worked as I do now for the probation service, I spent 10 years as a Retail manager, I worked for Body shop, WH Smiths and Superdrug. I ran a £3million turn over store with 30 staff working under me. I was also an area sales manager for another company. I looked exactly as I do now.
I DO look presentable, I wear a suit when the need arrises (a black one obv!) and have never been turned down for a job due to my appearance.
With regard to first impressions and appearences, Ive worked in probation and prisons for over a year and I have yet to come across anyone who looks 'alternative' shall we say, by this I mean in regards to the offenders I see, 9 out of 10 of them are burberry/tracksuit wearing 'chavs' and we actually had a debate in oneof the offices that I work in about it, with the general consensus being that given the choice most of them would prefer their kids to be 'alternative' rather than 'chav' purely based on the clientelle we see, thats obv not to say that goths/emos etc dont break the law, Im sure there are some cases that they do, but the offices I work in could oly remember one guy.
As for lookng scary! that too amuses me, people have misconceptions of us, and I dont think its that we look scary, I think its more that people are scared of what they dont understand. Although I must admit that if I saw someone with a shaved head, tracksuit bottoms tucked into his pants and heavy gold jewellery on, I would possibly cross the road, but that just maybe because of knowing the offences of the guys I work with, so maybe I am also guilty of beingprejudiced.
Have you thought of the possibility that you may be missing out on good hardworking staff by being prejudiced against people like myself?
Im really interested to know what peoples opinion are, which is why I am asking you so many questions, especially as in the UK I have never come across people being against me due to my appearance, so this is why I want to know what Australian employers would think, and if they judge just by appearance than skills and personality, which are far more important than the colour of someones hair.
As for lookng scary! that too amuses me, people have misconceptions of us, and I dont think its that we look scary, I think its more that people are scared of what they dont understand. Although I must admit that if I saw someone with a shaved head, tracksuit bottoms tucked into his pants and heavy gold jewellery on, I would possibly cross the road, but that just maybe because of knowing the offences of the guys I work with, so maybe I am also guilty of beingprejudiced.
I look forward to your response
Hi Helen
I think you know I love you (truth is I love all you woman) But Goths do look different you do look twice, as I do with punks and people with there fly un-done cant help but look at that one.
I think though you dress for your job. work is work and play is play. I've never been in a position to hire someone but I think I would think twice about hiring someone that turned up looking out of place. They would have to interveiw very well.
I don't own a suit but i think if i wanted to work in some fields i would need to buy one for a job interview its not me, i like shorts n t-shirt and people look at me strange when its raining or snowing and i wear my shorts out but i dont care what people think because im happy its my time. But when i go to work i wear slacks and a collared t-shirt and pollished boots because thats what my employee wants
Sorry to butt my noise in hope we are still friends
Geoffrey
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Geoffrey (32, an aussie!!), Tracy (35), Jake (7), Jessica (2) & Joseph (1)
of course we are still friends Geoffery
#I welcome other peoples opinion which is why I posted the thred in the first place.
with regard to work wear, I obv wouldnt go to work dressed in a corset and floor length skirt and knee high PVC boots (steady on geoffery!) At Smiths I had to wear a suit, which i happily did, superdrug and bodyshop we had uniforms to wear (black ones Luckily!) Probation is alot more casual and we can wear whatever we want, but I chose to dress possibly more 'hippy' than got, today for example I am wearing a fifties style dress and leggings.... from primark.
Makeup is toned down for work, not such a pale foundation and less eyeliner, but I still wear some and haveblack nail varnish all the time
The only thing that doesnt change is my hair which is purple and black and I get so many positive comments about it from all sorts of people (old ladies seem to like it for some reason!) and my nose ring which has been there for 20 years and never caused any issues
In retail I interviewed more people than I can rememebr and appearance never came into it, what was important to me was that they interviewed well and they were able to communicate well being as it was a customerfacing role.
I like people looking at me twice, so carry that on, I love the attention, if I didnt I wouldnt dress like this, I must say though if I see a mans fly undone I blush and couldnt look there again...... but I think I know what you mean, abit likje not wanting to look at a car crash but rubber necking........
I think people should get to know someone first, then we wouldnt have the tragedies like poor Sophie Lancaster happening again, but there are narrow minded poeple who prejudge someone beofore knowing anything about them. i suppose in some respects its similar to racism,
of course we are still friends Geoffery
#I welcome other peoples opinion which is why I posted the thred in the first place.
with regard to work wear, I obv wouldnt go to work dressed in a corset and floor length skirt and knee high PVC boots (steady on geoffery!) At Smiths I had to wear a suit, which i happily did, superdrug and bodyshop we had uniforms to wear (black ones Luckily!) Probation is alot more casual and we can wear whatever we want, but I chose to dress possibly more 'hippy' than got, today for example I am wearing a fifties style dress and leggings.... from primark.
Makeup is toned down for work, not such a pale foundation and less eyeliner, but I still wear some and haveblack nail varnish all the time
The only thing that doesnt change is my hair which is purple and black and I get so many positive comments about it from all sorts of people (old ladies seem to like it for some reason!) and my nose ring which has been there for 20 years and never caused any issues
In retail I interviewed more people than I can rememebr and appearance never came into it, what was important to me was that they interviewed well and they were able to communicate well being as it was a customerfacing role.
I like people looking at me twice, so carry that on, I love the attention, if I didnt I wouldnt dress like this, I must say though if I see a mans fly undone I blush and couldnt look there again...... but I think I know what you mean, abit likje not wanting to look at a car crash but rubber necking........
I think people should get to know someone first, then we wouldnt have the tragedies like poor Sophie Lancaster happening again, but there are narrow minded poeple who prejudge someone beofore knowing anything about them. i suppose in some respects its similar to racism,
Hi there i would employ you goth queen! i have found over many years that it is the person behind the clothes thats important, you can have the smartest dressed person with absolutely no personality, no communication or interpersonnal skills Thats scary!!!!! can i say lets look at the uniform code for many organisations emhh! primark black! marks and spencers black! yates wine bar black! most theatres black! need i go on. You obviously wouldnt wear a corset and pvc to work throughout the day, unless you work in an alternative shop. You will be fine and good luck to anyone who employs you with your fab personality!!! Annemarie Tad
I know this is going to sound odd but how do the Ozzies react to people who look shall we say a little different???
Im an ageing goth, I know at my age I should grow out of it and get rid of the peircings and dye my hair from purple to something more natural but..... after 20 years of being this way I just cant beocme 'normal'!
Ive never had an issue in the Uk getting employment, I currently work as a careers and employment advisor with the prison and probation service (advising ex offenders that is)
so my question is, am I going to have to change to gain employment when we get to Oz?
I know it probably seems an unimportant thing to some people but this is who I am and I am worried that If I have to change its going to really have a negative effect on me
Gothicqueen... Northbridge is full at the weekends with bikers goths and Queens...you will look normal.
A variety of entertainment brings Northbridge to life with DJs, live bands and nightclubs. The calendar of annual events held in Northbridge includes: Jan/Feb Perth International Arts Festival (arts, parades, concerts) Feb Carnival Latino (masqueraders, puppets and parades) Mar Perth Food and Wine Festival Nov Pride Parade celebrating Perth's gay and lesbian community.
And loads of Goth's
Hi there i would employ you goth queen! i have found over many years that it is the person behind the clothes thats important, you can have the smartest dressed person with absolutely no personality, no communication or interpersonnal skills Thats scary!!!!! can i say lets look at the uniform code for many organisations emhh! primark black! marks and spencers black! yates wine bar black! most theatres black! need i go on. You obviously wouldnt wear a corset and pvc to work throughout the day, unless you work in an alternative shop. You will be fine and good luck to anyone who employs you with your fab personality!!! Annemarie Tad
Oh thanks ann marie, I really appreciate that
Its funny as the official colours of probation are purple and black, so I 'fit in' perfectly I blend in with all the letter heads and signs LOL.
Its good to hear from people who are aware of the different cultures in Oz, so thanks too Earlswood, the places you aretalking about are they in Perth? Im really looking forward to tryingout new places and what have you!
i would employ you goth queen! i have found over many years that it is the person behind the clothes thats important, you can have the smartest dressed person with absolutely no personality, no communication or interpersonnal skills Thats scary!!!!! can i say lets look at the uniform code for many organisations emhh! primark black! marks and spencers black! yates wine bar black! most theatres black! need i go on. You obviously wouldnt wear a corset and pvc to work throughout the day, unless you work in an alternative shop. You will be fine and good luck to anyone who employs you with your fab personality!!! Annemarie Tad
