aharcall Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 We emigrated to Oz in 2009 with our sons who were 16 and 15 at the time. My eldest had completed his GCSEs. Unfortunatley for lots of reasons we ended up coming back to the UK after 7 months and have now been home for about a year. We have permanent resident visas which don't run out until January 2013. My eldest is due to complete his A levels in July 2012 and my youngest will finish his GCSEs at the same time. My eldest is starting to think about University - he wants to study marine sciences. With the increase in fees here in the UK he is also considering whether to go to University in Oz. It may well be that we all move back to Oz before our visas run out. What I am trying to find out is would our son be classed as an international student or because we have permanent residency as a home student. If as a home student would he be eligible for any loans etc for payment of fees. Could any one help with this or does anyone know where I go to find out the answers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest33730 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 We emigrated to Oz in 2009 with our sons who were 16 and 15 at the time. My eldest had completed his GCSEs. Unfortunatley for lots of reasons we ended up coming back to the UK after 7 months and have now been home for about a year. We have permanent resident visas which don't run out until January 2013. My eldest is due to complete his A levels in July 2012 and my youngest will finish his GCSEs at the same time. My eldest is starting to think about University - he wants to study marine sciences. With the increase in fees here in the UK he is also considering whether to go to University in Oz. It may well be that we all move back to Oz before our visas run out. What I am trying to find out is would our son be classed as an international student or because we have permanent residency as a home student. If as a home student would he be eligible for any loans etc for payment of fees. Could any one help with this or does anyone know where I go to find out the answers? Hi, If he has PR he will be entitled to pay the Commonwealth prices (i.e. what the locals pay) and not international rates but he wont be able to access grants/loans etc. The fees will need to be paid upfront each semester i.e. March and September. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Does anyone know how much the yearly fees are for a standard course at university in Australia.............. just an average, it used to be £3,000 here in the uk, but most universities are raising it to £9,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aharcall Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 im hoping they arent too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight7 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I think it costs more in Australia than in the uk- check this out for Monash uni which is fairly typical. Depends which course you do . http://sssd.adm.monash.edu.au/feerates2010/course.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I struggled to follow that link, so i have googled it and it is still rather confusing, but i found the following info - Costs involved Australia enjoys a standard of living which is among the highest in the world. Living expenses and tuition costs in Australia are considerably less expensive than in the UK and USA. The following tuition fees represent the average costs of undertaking courses of study in Australia and should be used as a guide only. Specific information about tuition fees can be obtained directly from individual institutions. A$5500 – $18,000 per year University Undergraduate A$10,000–$16,500 per year Postgraduate A$9000 – $18,500 per year Foundation studies A$9000–$14,000 per year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aharcall Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 So sounds like the fees are about the same as those in the UK now that they have gone up. The only difference will be that my son probably wont be able to put it all onto a student loan as he would be able to here in the UK. I know its not great that he will end up with a stonking great debt. But he probably would even in Oz in some shape or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 If your child is taking a specialised university course, then i think looking at the figures, what you will be paying will be similar, but if it isn't a specialised course, i think it can equate to being about half the cost of the uk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tiri Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Hi, i'm not sure if this will help but... I looked into doing a teaching degree with The University Of Sydney ( www.sydney.edu.au ) and for home students the fee was roughly $5000 and rose to $30,000 for international students p.a. (some courses law/medicine/dentistry are $9000 per year) There does seem to be some financial help for students but I'm not sure if that's the same for all uni's. It gives a useful breakdown of finances needed for Syndey students per week/month which I found interesting and useful. I would spend some time researching the universities in the area you want to relocate to and find out all the details from there websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalkyhill Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 There is some kind of student loan type system - hecs? I am on a 457 and my course is costing roughly $6500 a semester (for part time - 2 modules), but the reduction is costs is not huge when we have PR. Although if anyone is thinking of studying on a 457 to apply well in advance, as the admin people do not understand the applications process in any of the uni's which I applied to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Hi, i'm not sure if this will help but... I looked into doing a teaching degree with The University Of Sydney ( www.sydney.edu.au ) and for home students the fee was roughly $5000 and rose to $30,000 for international students p.a. (some courses law/medicine/dentistry are $9000 per year)There does seem to be some financial help for students but I'm not sure if that's the same for all uni's. It gives a useful breakdown of finances needed for Syndey students per week/month which I found interesting and useful. I would spend some time researching the universities in the area you want to relocate to and find out all the details from there websites. Thats really good news for us.................. we have two kids who will be going to uni and the fees, or debt they would incur was going to be at least £54,000 whereas in Australia it could be less than £20,000. The difference is we can afford to pay for ours kids to go to university in Australia and they will leave debt free, instead of owing a colossul amount of money and being in debt for most of their working life. cheers:wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikci Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Hi there... My son attends uni here in NSW and we have PR. It does depend on what degree u intend to study as to cost. There is different banding on cost, so for example my son is studying science with physics as his major, as this is a course NSW wants you to study the fees are less than say someone wanting to study IT. We pay approx $2500 a semester having said that he does not get any fee help so it is a case of having to pay upfront, the one good thing is it means he will leave uni with no debt! Hope this helps. All the best Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8leo87 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Hi, If he has PR he will be entitled to pay the Commonwealth prices (i.e. what the locals pay) and not international rates but he wont be able to access grants/loans etc. The fees will need to be paid upfront each semester i.e. March and September. Daniel isn't commonwelth like more of scholarship type thing? where you r selected on the merits of your application? I asked Monash n they told me tht commonwelth supported places re extremely competitive? May be it's just Monash. Becuse when I look at something other lower ranked university (university of new england) specifically I see that Science students (all of them will pay commonwelth regrdless) where as this is not the case with every university. and do you have any idea wht is competitive like? Thanks. P.S: sorry for the 'a' trouble. i hve a bσd a key in my keybord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeM Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Well I don't know about the rest of Australia but... I'm studying at QUT (Queensland University of Technology) on a PR visa at the moment and the fees for this year work out to be around $7,800 for first year which isn't too bad. Depends a bit on what you want to study. I think there's probably lots of good options for marine studies out here in Queensland (especially around the Barrier Reef/Tropical North Queensland region), even with TAFE there's interesting marine stuff to do in Queensland. Have a look here: http://www.qtac.edu.au and do a course search on there. It covers all the Universities in Qld. Commonwealth Supported Places? Didn't have to put up a fight for that at all really and my A levels weren't exactly the best. They generally like UK students with A Levels. I'm not saying they prefer us over anyone else, but if your son gets good A Levels I see him being highly competitive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest abinclane Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I think he would be. But if he is thinking to get student loans or grants, you may have to finance that for him. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkk8 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Thats really good news for us.................. we have two kids who will be going to uni and the fees, or debt they would incur was going to be at least £54,000 whereas in Australia it could be less than £20,000. The difference is we can afford to pay for ours kids to go to university in Australia and they will leave debt free, instead of owing a colossul amount of money and being in debt for most of their working life. cheers:wink: I guess if you calculate based on the highest possible UK fees and the lowest possible Aussie fees that would be about right - which is how you tend to calculate things :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammygirl Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Go for high grades, some Unis will waive the fees even for international students if they get AAA at A level. If you know where you are going have a look on the websites of the Unis there for info, they are usually pretty good and clear about fees. And you can always e-mail them for more info. Many have two intakes per year usually Jan/feb or July. Most Oz students live at home as they do not get a grant or loan for living away from home like in th UK. All they can get is a HECS loan to cover fees and this is only available if they are a citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I guess if you calculate based on the highest possible UK fees and the lowest possible Aussie fees that would be about right - which is how you tend to calculate things :wink: All decent universities in the uk are now charging between £8,500 to £9,000 in fact i heard most are charging the maximum, which equates to £27,500 to £29,000 for a 3 year course, you can get on a course in Australia for $7,800 which equates to $23,400 as above, thats quite a massive saving and if you factor in that average skilled wages are paid at 30% more, or are paid at approximately $2.2 to £1, then thats less than half. I hope i have cleared it up for you. :wink: Right back at yer.:wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kungfustu Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I think these links illustrates what pink8 is trying to say. http://www.graduateshotline.com/australiacost.html http://studyinaustralia.gov.au/Sia/en/StudyCosts/TuitionFees.htm Whilst your UK universities charges are: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/25/higher-education-universityfunding So if we use your formula ropey and select the most expensive courses: UK £9000 and Oz $14000, a 3 year Oz course will cost $42000 divided by 1.5 = £28000 whilst a 3 year UK course will cost £27000. There are plenty of Oz courses that are charging way over $14000 a year. The UK still gives students about £3000 a year maintenance grant to low income families earning less than £25000 a year, and a lesser grant to those with family incomes earning between £25000 and £50000. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/UniversityAndHigherEducation/StudentFinance/Gettingstarted/DG_171573 I suppose it just makes you realise how lucky our students have been in the past, before fees increased as much as they have when you compare to how much other countries charge. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipjack Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 So sounds like the fees are about the same as those in the UK now that they have gone up. The only difference will be that my son probably wont be able to put it all onto a student loan as he would be able to here in the UK. I know its not great that he will end up with a stonking great debt. But he probably would even in Oz in some shape or form. PR qualifies you as a commonwealth student but the student must also be resident in Australia (just in case you thought about distance ed). Also, with the minimum wage being $19.60 in Aus, it makes working part-time worthwhile - which most students do to make ends meet. Queensland and WA suffer a lot from short staffing in basic industries like McDonalds because most teenagers are working in the mines driving trucks for $100k. So there's lots of part time jobs for students. On another issue, WA and Queensland unis are also suffering from low student numbers because all the school leavers are going to work in the mines as general labour for $100k+, rather than living in poverty for four years to get a job that pays less than a mine job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8leo87 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 $19.60 per hour is minimum wage in Australia? wow cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkk8 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Also, with the minimum wage being $19.60 in Aus, it makes working part-time worthwhile - which most students do to make ends meet. Where did you get this figure from skipjack? I thought it was $15 p.h. http://www.fairwork.gov.au/pay/national-minimum-wage/pages/default.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest siamsusie Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 http://www.qbr.com.au/news/articleid/74065.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish.01 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I think these links illustrates what pink8 is trying to say. http://www.graduateshotline.com/australiacost.html http://studyinaustralia.gov.au/Sia/en/StudyCosts/TuitionFees.htm Whilst your UK universities charges are: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/25/higher-education-universityfunding So if we use your formula ropey and select the most expensive courses: UK £9000 and Oz $14000, a 3 year Oz course will cost $42000 divided by 1.5 = £28000 whilst a 3 year UK course will cost £27000. There are plenty of Oz courses that are charging way over $14000 a year. The UK still gives students about £3000 a year maintenance grant to low income families earning less than £25000 a year, and a lesser grant to those with family incomes earning between £25000 and £50000. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/UniversityAndHigherEducation/StudentFinance/Gettingstarted/DG_171573 I suppose it just makes you realise how lucky our students have been in the past, before fees increased as much as they have when you compare to how much other countries charge. Hope this helps. Those links seem to be for international student fees - are you trying to compare costs for locals? The exchange rate of 1.5 is meaningless when comparing cost of living for residents. 2.2 is more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish.01 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Here's a few random popular degrees from qld's biggest and 2nd biggest unis: http://www.qtac.edu.au/Courses/courses/guide2011/418801.htm Bachelor of Information Technology costs 3439 stirling per year http://www.qtac.edu.au/Courses/courses/guide2011/417601.htm Bachelor of Laws costs 4017 stirling per year http://www.qtac.edu.au/Courses/courses/guide2011/418701.htm Bachelor of Mathematics costs 2095 stirling per year http://www.qtac.edu.au/Courses/courses/guide2011/742501.htm Bachelor of Education costs 2413 stirling per year http://www.qtac.edu.au/Courses/courses/guide2011/712002.htm Bachelor of Dental Science costs 3713 stirling per year If you are a commonwealth supported student in qld the student contribution ranges as follows: Student Contributions Per Year Student contribution range for 2011 National Priorities mathematics, statistics and science $0 to $4355 (0..1979 stirling) Band 1 humanities, behavioural science, clinical psychology, education, nursing, social studies, foreign languages, visual and performing arts $0 to $5442 (0..2473 stirling) Band 2 computing, built environment, health, engineering, surveying, agriculture $0 to $7756 (0..3525 stirling) Band 3 dentistry, medicine, veterinary science, accounting, administration, economics, commerce, law Source: http://www.qtac.edu.au/Applying-NonYear12/StudyCosts.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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