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Dr Moeller Leaves Town Which Stood By Him

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Old 02-07-2009, 01:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Hi All

I have split the original thread and made this new one since Dr Moeller's activities seem to be a topic of interest.

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Ther 'twit' was none other than the minister for immigration and citizenship.
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Wonder what sort of reference they will give his new employers though! Surely he would have had some idea what the hours of work were going to be in his new contract?
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Ther 'twit' was none other than the minister for immigration and citizenship.
Probably the staffers that advise him. Same fellas that relaced detention rules and encourage boat people to come to Australia? I rest my case....
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I understood it was because he would have to work 24/7 and that no other doctors had moved to the area and he being the only specialist in his field was it. We have to think how we would feel if we were called out every day and every night, that is what happens with doctors in the country and they get burn out.

Unfortunately doctors are not old style Doctor Findlay these days they want life as well as work just like we all do.

Horsham is not an ideal place to live for people who are not from that area and of course most doctors want to work in more desirable areas and also where the good schools are just like us.

Its very sad and I feel for the people but I guess he is only a man and has a wife who wants to see him now and again just like us.
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I guess it is the deceit that rankles though. He was already on that contract when he went for PR and must have known darned well that he wasnt going to stay there once the people of Horsham had fought for him. Sorry, no sympathies from me, he knew exactly what he was up for and he milked the system for all it was worth. I hope they take his PR from him.
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Which visa was involved?

Hi All

Before we all get carried away with the "moral" issues in this case, it would be brainy to consider the legal issues first.

0807398 [2008] MRTA 1051 (25 November 2008)

Click on the link to the Tribunal decision in Dr Moeller's case, please.

Dr Moeller's employers - of their own free will - chose to nominate Dr Moeller for an onshore ENS sc 856 visa:

Employer Nomination Scheme (Subclass 121/856)

The employers agreed to a visa which would give Dr Moeller unconditional PR in Australia regardless of whether or not the employment contract would stick to the wall in the end.

There are various rules about where the employer is actually based. I am not expert enough to know the exact details but the gist is:

If an employer is genuinely based in "Regional Oz" then the employer can offer sponsorship for an RSMS 857 visa.

Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme (Subclass 119/857)

However as I understand it, an employer in the deep Outback who happens to be able to satisfy the employer criteria for both visas is able to choose an ENS 856 visa instead of the more restrictive RSMS 857 visa. The ENS 856 is less onerous for the employer than the RSMS 857.

The choice of visa could not have happened without the employer's consent.

So what is the employer whingeing about now? This employer is big enough, old enough and ugly enough to have expert lawyers at its elbow 24/7.

"A jury consists of 12 good men and true, engaged for the purpose of deciding which of the parties has the better lawyer." [Elborne Mitchell, Solicitors, London EC3.]

EB's statement brings a smile to every lawyer's face because they are absolutely right. It is the way of the world.

There are no legal rights or wrongs here. A visa which the Australian Government invented - and therefore presumably approves of - was sought with the active encouragement of the employer. This visa cannot come into being without the employer's support.

Do the employers now wish to claim that they are inept, incompetent, idiotic clowns who are too dim to hire an Immigration Law specialist should they need one? Why did they fail to arm themselves with competent legal advice? If they reckon that they tried to do so but they now think they were wrongly advised, their remedy lies in suing their chosen advisor. It does NOT lie in whingeing to the media about Dr Moeller.

The employer's choice of advisor is not a question for Dr Moeller. He did not choose his ex-employer's lawyers for them.

"Moral standards" do not belong to the Law. Lawyers are not trained, qualified or competent to discuss them. Morality is the province of the many religions. The Law does not, cannot and should not step over this boundary.

Dr Moeller has not breached Australian Law in any way.

Ergo, what is the real issue here, please?

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"A jury consists of 12 good men and true, engaged for the purpose of deciding which of the parties has the better lawyer." [Elborne Mitchell, Solicitors, London EC3.]

EB's statement brings a smile to every lawyer's face because they are absolutely right. It is the way of the world.
An Australian perception could be?

"If he was an Aussie then he's simply working the system to his own advantvantage. And if can stick one on the authorities at the same time... good on him for that. But since he's not a 'true blue Aussie' he's obviously just another ungreatful foriegner who has come here to screw the system"


BTW Love the definition of the jury system above.
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Hi Nigel

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"If he was an Aussie then he's simply working the system to his own advantvantage. And if can stick one on the authorities at the same time... good on him for that. But since he's not a 'true blue Aussie' he's obviously just another ungreatful foriegner who has come here to screw the system"
Dr Moeller is German. Their "system" is as good as, if not better than, the Aussie "system." What is so wunnerful and special about Australia that Dr Moeller should tolerate less in Oz than he could get in Germany? He has been treating Australia's sick, not Germany's sick, lately.

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