NHS risks becoming 'world health service

[Perthbum]

How about 20 yrs? How do you feel about someone who has paid in for 20 yrs getting treated?

No, because it is pay as you go and over those twenty years you have probably already got back more than you have paid with the birth of your children, treatment for you and your children plus free prescriptions and subsidised NHS dental treatment for you and your children, you ay in a few years but it dies not entiltle you to free health care for life.

[PaulandDeb]

I have never ran to anyone, only my wife giving birth in a UK hospital mate.
As for 'C' what are you going on about again, you are delusional?

[Perthbum]

I have never ran to anyone, only my wife giving birth in a UK hospital mate.
As for 'C' what are you going on about again, you are delusional?

The health service in oz provides all your needs, why would anyone in oz even consider going back to the uk for a holiday operation? Any clues ?

[snifter]

But still people would have to go through the system. So register with a GP, get referred (and if non urgent that is many weeks wait possibly) and then again another wait till the op is scheduled. Especially if non urgent. And they would need a UK address to receive any mail and so on in case of changes. Even an urgent referral doesn't happen overnight. And often even if its urgent it requires more than a week or two in the UK. So someone who is actually ill and in need of care should get it in Aus anyways, without the wait. The non urgent stuff is much longer in time frame and by the time a person has paid for a return flight and expenses to the UK from Aus they could probably have paid to go private for something small and non urgent perhaps.

Truly urgent medical problems would be classed as emergency (potentially life saving) treatment and anyone on a reciprocal medical arrangement would be entitled. Like if their appendix burst while visiting the UK or they fell very ill while on these shores. No one should be denied that kind of treatment and thankfully they are not here in this country.

Sure, some people do try to get round things or visit for medical treatment, but plenty of others remain in Aus (and elsewhere) and go through the system in their chosen country.

[PaulandDeb]

I don't know anyone who as done that, but i know of thousands of none English speakers who do.
Why are you not mentioning those, surely that should be your main concern - the THOUSANDS doing it daily.
Not the few who was actually born and more than likely paid into a tax system for some considerable time?

[Johndoe]

No, because it is pay as you go and over those twenty years you have probably already got back more than you have paid with the birth of your children, treatment for you and your children plus free prescriptions and subsidised NHS dental treatment for you and your children, you ay in a few years but it dies not entiltle you to free health care for life.

How do you know what I got back, or what anyone got back for that matter and how do you know what I/they paid in? What about high income contributors who likely pay double or even treble that which you do? They're not entitled but you are.......just because you live there? Is it user pay as you go or not? Is it resident only or not? You can't have it both ways. What's with this "pay as you go" anyway? Something you dreamed up? I'll ask again.............define it please.

So, succesive governments have agreed to pay a full pension once you pay in for 20 yrs..................a pension that they could be paying for 20 yrs, yet you deem it not sufficient for it to cover a one off operation costing a miniscule amount of that which the pension would cost.

You keep going on about "pay as you go"..................what exactly do you mean by that? An 18 yr old who has paid practically nothing in NI contributions is entitled to treatment but not someone who has paid in for 20 yrs or more?

Has it ever crossed your mind that a great many (if not most) pommy migrants continue to pay UK NI contributions and are actually canvassed as to whether they wish to do this? Are you saying that it's OK for them to continue paying but not to receive treatment?

[snifter]

To put it into perspective, it probably costs each LHA a heap more each year in ridiculous charges for maintenance and so on that they are tied into with the companies who invested to build all the lovely new hospitals. £45 to change a lightbulb because it has to go out to a specific company who charges a small fortune. Times that by everything from request for paperclips to larger office equipment and so on and its a fortune being spent.

People want their new hospitals but forget they are paying for them in so many other ways.

[Johndoe]

The health service in oz provides all your needs, why would anyone in oz even consider going back to the uk for a holiday operation? Any clues ?

I'm glad to hear that...........something positive abbout oz at last. Different debate to your OP though. You could say it's "choose as you go"

[Perthbum]

I don't know anyone who as done that, but i know of thousands of none English speakers who do.
Why are you not mentioning those, surely that should be your main concern - the THOUSANDS doing it daily.
Not the few who was actually born and more than likely paid into a tax system for some considerable time?

how many none english speakers do you know who done it?

[Perthbum]

I'm glad to hear that...........something positive abbout oz at last. Different debate to your OP though. You could say it's "choose as you go"

well why is there a thread about someone living in oz going back to the uk just for an operation...any clues?